Video Talk:Hang S?n ?oòng
Someone's attempt at re-writing the lead section
Son Doong cave is found by a local man in 1991 in Phong Nha - Ke Bang National Park of Quang Binh Province. Moreover, in 2009, it was recently discovered by British cavers. [[|thumbnail|http://vietnamtripadvisor.net/uploads/images/news/112013/sondoongcave5.jpg]]
This cave is considered one of the world's largest caves. It is five times larger than the Phong Nha Cave. The biggest chamber of Son Doong is over five kilometers in length, 200 meters high and 150 meters wide. It was created 2-5 million years ago by river water eroding away the limestone underneath the mountain. Inside the cave, tourists can camp near Hand of Dog, a huge stalagmite that looks like a dog's paw. The roof of the cave collapsed centuries ago, creating sections blanketed in lush green. Waterfalls, massive stalactites' and even a jungle called the Garden of Edam with an assortment of native animals are housed inside the cave.
Explorers also spotted monkeys entering through the roof of the cave to feed on snail. Besides, scientists have discovered "never- before-seen" plant species around Son Doong's waterfalls. It also features two large underground sinkholes with cliffs as high as 800 feet.
Coming to visit Song Doong Cave, tourists will have the strangest experience inside the cave that is silence. As known, silence is deafening and when you are in the lake section of the cave, which is barren to all thing's living, standing in complete darkness and silence is an experience that you cannot forget. The more you explore Son Doong cave, the more you feel its attractiveness as your next big life challenge. http://vietnamtripadvisor.net/son-doong-cave-quang-binh-2-83.html 222.254.150.127 (talk) 14:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Maps Talk:Hang S?n ?oòng
Update article?
"largest cave" claim is out of date as of 2014 - its now 2015. 124.148.252.225 (talk) 05:41, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- I didn't see anything specific to 2014/15 which needed updating. I did tweak the wording at one point to remove a WP:DATED problem. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Incorrect Infobox Picture
The picture in the infobox is not of Hang Son Doong, but instead of Hang En, which is also located in Phong Nha National Park. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.174.178.179 (talk) 03:28, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with you.113.162.238.129 (talk) 08:00, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Translation of the name (Hang) S?n ?oòng
I just read a Vietnamese language article (http://vnexpress.net/tin-tuc/thoi-su/hanh-trinh-tim-ra-hang-dong-lon-nhat-the-gioi-3212365.html) interviewing H? Khanh about the meaning of the name S?n ?oòng and learned that it didn't mean (or wasn't meant to be) Mountain River Cave at all. Below is the relevant paragraph from the article
H? g?i ý ch?n tên ?oòng, m?t b?n nh? trên ???ng vào hang và tôi ??ng ý ??t là S?n ?oòng, v?i ngh?a ng?n núi ? sau b?n ?oòng", ông Khanh k?.
They suggested to choose the name ?oòng, a small village on the way to the cave and I agreed to name it S?n ?oòng, with the meaning of the mountain behind ?oòng village, Mr. Khanh said.
So to me, we need to rewrite the parenthesis in the first sentence of the article
from (hang S?n ?oòng, "Mountain River cave" in Vietnamese)
to (hang S?n ?oòng, "Mountain cave behind ?oòng village" in Vietnamese)
Below is the word for word translation of (Hang) S?n ?oòng
Hang = cave (pure Vietnamese word)
S?n = mountain (Sino-Vietnamese,?)
?oòng = name of the ethnic village near the cave (ethnic word, not Vietnamese word)
Tdcao (talk) 23:57, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- Are there any other sources? I have yet to see any in favor of the "river" interpretation that aren't news and blog sources parotting whatever source they first came across (quite possibly our own article). -- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 23:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Requested move 14 January 2016
- Post RM comment @Brother Twisted: It's because diacritics are not part of the WP:COMMONNAME analysis, by long-standing consensus. The sources I used were found via Google, which strips diacritics. If you use a search engine that doesn't, like Yandex, you see that "S?n ?oòng cave" is very clearly not made up here: [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36]. The Save S?n ?oòng campaign [37] not only uses that spelling in English, stylized tone marks even feature prominently in the English-language logo (though most of their site has not been translated into English yet). Lots more examples here. Anyway, some publishers choose to include native-languages diacritics in proper names, others do not. WP is one that does. -- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 11:13, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Article needs updating on several points
I have a lot of work to do today so am just going to dump sources here:
Cave has double UNESCO protection now
- For both world heritage and biodiversity: http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/vietnams-heritage-cave-system-wins-second-unesco-title-for-biodiversity-47513.html
-- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Site a major boon to tourism revenue in region; much attention drawn to it internationally
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/vietnam-province-reports-robust-tourism-growth-thanks-to-worlds-largest-cave-55923.html
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/worlds-largest-cave-in-vietnam-named-greatest-place-to-see-in-21st-century-50666.html
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/business/32206/tourism-revenue-in-vietnamese-province-soars-thanks-to-son-doong-cave-officials
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/travel/108173/son-doong-cave-attractive-to-travellers.html
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/23903/ny-times-names-vietnam-province-among-top-52-places-to-go-in-2014
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/travel/85248/hundreds-of-foreign-tourists-booked-for-tours-to-son-doong-cave.html
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/travel/148853/ambassadors-to-vietnam-invited-to-visit-son-doong-cave.html
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/28473/vietnam-to-promote-son-doong-cave-at-sea-games
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/vietnam-praised-for-stunning-caves-street-food-57533.html
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/vietnams-son-doong-named-among-places-out-of-this-world-43498.html
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/traffic-terrorism-tpp-among-top-google-searches-in-vietnam-in-2015-57392.html
Leading to cable car controversy, below. -- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Cable car plan controversy; preservation concerns
- Protests are coming from the Vietnamese people not just from UNESCO, etc.
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/business/23797/son-doong-hard-choice-between-mass-tourism-and-sustainable-development
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/23518/public-experts-concerned-about-potential-cable-car-systems-harm-to-son-doong-cave
- http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/kiwi-traveller/63161686/preserving-son-doong-the-biggest-cave-in-the-world.html
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/24240/british-explorer-opposes-cable-car-construction-in-vietnams-son-doong-cave
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/travel/143904/tourism-agency-backs-son-doong-cave-cable-car-project.html
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/environment/144519/cable-car-a-threat-to-beauty-of-son-doong-cave.html
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/tourism-authority-supports-controversial-cable-car-near-worlds-largest-cave-52348.html
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/vietnam-province-justifies-controversial-cable-car-project-at-worlds-largest-cave-40517.html
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/23494/us212-mln-cable-car-system-to-be-built-to-son-doong-cave
- http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/dec/03/worlds-largest-cave-vietnam-threatened-cable-car
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/vietnam-province-pushes-cable-car-plan-for-worlds-largest-cave-33544.html
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/unesco-body-asks-vietnam-to-justify-cave-cable-car-project-33667.html
There's been some backing off from this plan:
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/business/23677/vietnam-tourism-firms-officials-cautious-about-song-doong-cave-cable-car-construction
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/vietnam-ministry-blocks-controversial-cable-car-to-worlds-largest-cave-33900.html
- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11670611/Worlds-largest-cave-to-be-preserved-in-its-natural-state.html
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/worlds-largest-cave-gets-temporary-reprieve-from-cable-car-38731.html
-- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Tourism to site shut down, autumn 2015 - spring 2016
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/30244/vietnam-temporarily-ceases-discovery-tours-to-son-doong-cave
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/worlds-largest-cave-son-doong-closed-for-short-restoration-period-report-51001.html
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/travel/140465/tour-of-exploring-son-doong-cave-closed-for-four-months.html
- Similar suspension in 2014-2015: http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/vietnam-authorities-suspend-tours-to-worlds-largest-cave-30576.html
-- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Cave featured in ABC [US] live docu on Good Morning America (2015)
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/28047/vietnams-son-doong-cave-awes-us-television-viewers
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/28104/porters-contribute-to-success-of-abc-show-on-vietnams-son-doong-cave
- http://vietnamnews.vn/life-style/280581/top-10-cultural-events-of-the-year.html
-- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
National Geographic produces virtual tour with 360-degree shoot by Martin Edström
Photographer is Swedish. Title has been given by sources as both "Son Doong: A 360 Adventure" and "Fly Through a Colossal Cave: Son Doong in 360°"; part of a larger project called "Son Doong 360".
- Official site (with map we could adapt a variant of, on slide 2): http://www.nationalgeographic.com/news-features/son-doong-cave/2/#s=pano37
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/28185/natgeo-features-son-doong-cave-in-dizzying-360degree-images
- http://www.psneurope.com/son-doong-national-geographic-explores-the-infinite-cave-with-spm-8000-mics/
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/travel/131347/exploring-son-doong-cave-through-360o-photographs-on-natgeo.html
- https://powermore.dell.com/technology/video-martin-edstrom-explores-the-worlds-largest-cave-son-doong/
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/28216/swedish-photographers-360degree-images-of-vietnams-son-doong-cave-wow-viewers
- http://www.theinertia.com/video/bringing-son-doong-360-to-life-the-motivation-behind-immersive-storytelling/
- http://www.theinertia.com/mountain/explore-dizzying-360-panoramas-of-worlds-largest-cave/
- http://www.idigitaltimes.com/son-doong-cave-tour-virtual-guides-take-you-inside-vietnams-most-famous-cave-445728
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/features/26227/vietnams-son-doong-cave-to-be-seen-in-360-images-by-natgeo
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/features/26298/exploring-the-hidden-charm-of-vietnam-in-son-doong-cave
Martin Edström (a long-term NatGeo pro) is notable and should have an article, though as some of these articles report, not everything to do with the project was his work. -- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Independent drone photographer Ryan Deboodt produces fly-through videos
He's an American living in mainland China. Official site: https://vimeo.com/121736043 (videos "Hang Son Doong" and "Above and Below"; two others are of nearby Hang En)
- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/16/hang-son-doong-drone-worlds-largest-cave-vietnam_n_6882916.html
- http://petapixel.com/2015/03/11/photographer-takes-drone-into-hang-son-doong-the-largest-cave-in-the-world/
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/features/29193/meet-us-photographer-whose-lens-captures-vietnams-son-doong-cave
- http://www.theinertia.com/environment/a-world-within-hang-son-doong-the-largest-cave-on-earth/
- http://www.scoopwhoop.com/world/hang-son-soong-cave/
- http://tuoitrenews.vn/lifestyle/26107/vietnams-son-doong-cave-in-photos-taken-by-us-photographer
The amount of coverage potentially makes Ryan Deboodt notable, but he doesn't seem to be known for anything but this, so perhaps not. -- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
300 myo fossils found
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/science-it/116138/300-million-year-fossils-discovered-in-son-doong-cave.html
-- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
There was a Quang Binh Cave Festival in 2015
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/dark-cave-miniature-version-of-son-doong-50490.html
Googling for that specifically turns up more sources. -- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Hollywood film production Kong: Skull Island shooting footage in the cave
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/art-entertainment/146425/hollywood-blockbuster-to-be-filmed-in-son-doong-in-february-2016.html
- http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/art-entertainment/149690/-kong--skull-island--film-crew-to-work-in-vietnam-in-february.html
- http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/entertainment/filming-of-kong-skull-island-to-begin-in-the-new-year/news-story/1d6a7e6131eef0c2890534f2b0cb3c13
- http://www.thanhniennews.com/arts-culture/new-king-kong-movie-to-film-in-worlds-largest-cave-in-central-vietnam-53669.html
-- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
As a consequence of several of the above, tours to the site sharply limited in 2016, maybe longer
- Were sold out by 10 January 2016: http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/society/149841/social-news-10-1.html
- There were only 500 permits: http://www.thanhniennews.com/travel/2016s-tour-to-worlds-largest-cave-on-sale-only-500-early-bookings-accepted-49672.html
- Compare over 3,000 in 2015 (at average price each of US$3K, more than average Vietnamese yearly income): http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/traffic-terrorism-tpp-among-top-google-searches-in-vietnam-in-2015-57392.html
- 500-person limit set in 2015 and may last indefinitely [38]
-- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
We are missing articles on the nearby sister caves
Most obviously Hang Én 'swift cave' (named for the birds that nest in it) [39], which is notable (already has article on Vietnamese Wikipedia). It's the third largest cave in the world, has its' own jungle, and a beach [40]. Various others that probably should be addressed, probably at a Quang Binh karst system article, include hang Nuoc Nut, Kim, Tu Lan (possibly notable, and including Hang Bi Mat 'secret cave'), Va, Ken, Tien [41], E, and Toi ('dark', including also Hang Thuy Cung) [42]. Not all of these are within the Phong Nha - Ke Bang National Park. Hang Toi has a 400 m zip line from an observation deck [43]. -- SMcCandlish ? ? ¢ ???????? 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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